Where's the blood?

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Where's the blood?

Post by hernesson » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:35 am

Yes, I found some of the police HQ scenes pretty boring actually, and like you say, not entirely necessary to the show. People are interested to see the crime fighter, and then maybe what he does in his spare time his life and loves. If he was a janitor by day I wouldn't want to see him mopping floors for example. That'd be dull.

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Post by pentastar » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:06 am

I do think Jesse needed to be more angry though, like he was more driven to fight crime. Rex didn't get the opportunity to get angry very often.
Yeah, I notice that too. You see it a little bit of it in the pilot where Jesse goes after revenge and even steals Street Hawk from Norman. But after he gets revenge he seems to be at peace again. I think it would have been more interesting if he'd still acted like he was running from his demons and trying to avenge the injustices in his life. Maybe if Corrido came back (as Dan suggested) they could have shown more anger or bloodlust coming from Jesse.

I found it conflicting to see Jesse clearly as one of the establishment and yet doing what Street Hawk does. Street Hawk didn't catch criminals, he actually KILLED them, let's not forget that. He blew away a lot of people.
Street Hawk didn't kill all the bad guys he faced, and the ones he did kill were usually shooting at him at the time. There were times when Jesse would take a bad guy out and then pause remorsefully, and Norman would have to remind him that the other guy would have killed him if he'd been able to.

It is interesting to think of the moral dilemma going on within Jesse being a cop and a vigilante. As a cop, he had definate boundaries and procedures he had to follow, but when he was Street Hawk he could take the law into his own hands. It would have been interesting if the show had continued to see if they would explore that in later episodes. What would happen if Jesse reflected on some of his actions as Street Hawk from his cop perspective and started questioning if he was doing the right thing?

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Post by hernesson » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:25 am

I think it was curious that the government wanted someone with the "right stuff" a maverick, with a test pilot mentality. Isn't that a bit of a loaded gun? Would that person take orders so readily from Washington? How did they not know he would go psycho with revenge for his dead friend and start believing he was judge and jury?
Essentially there wasn't an awful lot of government control to the project. Norman and Jesse were left to get on with it more or less, or are we to believe that Norm got a lot more commands from Washington than we saw?
What of the project's ultimate goal? To have Street Hawk's in all precincts across America? A Judge Dredd series of States. Cops are already criticised for using excessive force. Was it a realistic goal?

I think the lure of Street Hawk for Jesse originally was that it was a cool bike, and he had the option to use it as a means to an end, a weapon to get Marty's killers. After he completed this there should have been a scene where Norm talks to Jesse about writing wrongs and making more of a difference than the conventional police force could muster.
Obviously as this is tv we never got to see this.

The question you raise is a good one Scott.
I think he would have had a crisis of conscience, more than once, and wonder really if Street Hawk's justice really was the right path and whether it might be changing him. Delving into the dark side of Jesse would make great drama, fighting demons in his mind, as you say.
I think if he was to continue being Street Hawk he would have quit the police force, eventually, but still kept the contacts. I don't know. I'm throwing ideas out there.

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Where's the blood?

Post by janice » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:36 am

I was sitting here trying to determine how many people he actually killed in the shows. Some of them you don't really know if they were killed or injured. He left a lot for the police to clean up. Times when he did kill someone, he always expressed remorse except in two cases. One was Corrido. The other was Burt Levine and his thugs. Both were retaliation for the death of a friend.

Norman brought up Washington several times. It would have been interesting to have more involvement from the higher ups. I still think giving Norman a female boss would have made the show very interesting.

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Post by hernesson » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:46 am

Yeah, would have been funny to have a female boss on speaker phone, ala Charlies Angels ... think of it... "Good morning gentleman!" (Norm and Jesse in unison) "Good morning ????????"

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Post by badguy » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:56 pm

One more thing that was unbelievable: When Cannon is in the theatre gathering the money, SH shows up and Cannon pulls his gun. He tries to fire and it is empty. What professional criminal forgets to load his gun?! Can you imagine explaining that to the boss.

Boss: Did you get him?
Hit Man: Well, not really.
Boss: Why not?
Hit Man: I forgot to load my gun.
he fires 5 or six times as the bike comes down the theatre aisle - I figured he ran OUT of bullets, not alot of time to reload.

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Post by pentastar » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:25 pm

I would agree Badguy. I would have corrected Janice myself, but she's a woman...and my wife has taught me never to correct a woman if you know what's good for you!

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Post by badguy » Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:33 pm

let's give her the benefit of the doubt that she saw a badly edited version - I've heard other people remark that the clip they saw did NOT show the bike coming down the aisle.

But one thing Marjoe Gortner knows is how to handle a gun - he plays a quick draw in many many movies. An unloaded gun wouldn't likely pass first reading with the Boy Evangelist.

Make that TWO things - WOMEN & guns.

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Post by josh » Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:51 am

let's give her the benefit of the doubt that she saw a badly edited version - I've heard other people remark that the clip they saw did NOT show the bike coming down the aisle.
Yes, the episode that aired on Bravo did not show the bike coming down the aisle. ::) I don't know why they would have cut out that bit of footage. Seems like a bad place to cut. I would have thought they could have found a better place in the episode to cut 3 seconds.

This is one reason the I switched the DVD's to the Finnish episodes. Too much was cut out of the Bravo ones.
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